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Old 03-28-2004, 06:13 AM
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This is my logic:
Swamp_Thing posts: "Btw, setting a few things straight.
Smoking weed will cause memory loss, lowering your heart rate, red eyes and not much else. The only really big "inconvenient" is the memory loss, because every other thing is quite trivial and non-important."

My answer was that he disregards the posts made by me and you about the medical research. If he considers low heart rate as trivial, its his prerogative.

What differs from his point and mine is that where I admit the dangers, or possible causes of smoking marijuana, he thinks they are trivial, and reduces the effects to wha has been quoted above. I am not in denial.
I never said that what Swamp_Thing claims is untrue, only that it disregards other effects or downsides, and completely ignores possible upsides.
My experience differs from his, and it is really far away from what Grisu and yourself make out to be, but I do not deny that it has happenned. If you read my earlier post, I clearly state that it affects people differently, and even then, the result would vary depending on what kind of weed you were smoking.
Again:
"You have disregarded everything that has been mentioned by either Aether or me on the subject, but most importantly by various medical researchers.

You did not really discredit any claims in my earlier post, except for medicinal value of marijuana. SwamP_ThinG's experience correlates quite nicely with these claims"

Where, exactly do I say I discredit your finds? Did I not even bother to back up the sources used for that DEA document, something you hastily forgot?
As for Swamp_Things experience correlating nicely with your report:
"Smoking weed will also cause loss of inibitions, a feeling of well being, a sense of euphoria, and a huge craving for rading the fridge!
Smoking pot is actually very good for shy and timid people, because they will have a better time making friends and socializing. It is also a very good treatment for cronic and accute pain, resulting in relief in even the worst cases when even massive doses of morphine are not effective anymore.
And despite what most people think, smoking weed will not cause any significant slowdown in reflexes while driving.In some situations, weed can actually increase your reflexes, and cause an accute and sharp state of mind, improving your concentration."
Wow, the DEA really admit that smoking improves your concentration? Do it will help shy people?
Aether, exactly what are you reading from these posts that I am having so much trouble in finding?
When you posted that link did you just do a quick search on google or did you read the report? I was especially amazed that you give the gateway theory so much validity when even that link you posted states:
"It does not answer how marijuana, or cannabis, might lead to harder drugs."
"It is often implicitly assumed that using cannabis changes your brain or makes you crave other drugs," said lead researcher Michael Lynskey, "but there are a number of other potential mechanisms, including access to drugs, willingness to break the law and likelihood of engaging in risk-taking behavior."
Nor do you mention this:
Lynskey and colleagues acknowledged the study has several limitations, including relying on participants' reporting of their own experiences,
"In an accompanying editorial, Denise Kandel of Columbia University's psychiatry department said the study does not explain "whether or not a true causal link exists" between marijuana and hard drugs."
Whats your answer to that, considering you offered us this link?
Aether, before you go on rambling about me being in denial, have a good look at yourself. You claim marijuana is bad, you offer us the insights of a DEA report, yet you dont talk about where those facts were taken from. When I offer other medical research, you only admit that it might have medical value, but you still forget to talk about the non existent links to verify the DEAs other claims about the drugs, which are not backed up by the research done for the report.
I am not giving the TRUTH, but I am at least being honest about my findings, and even acknowledge the parts where it correlates with your arguments.
You also claimed that Swamp_Things experience correlate with those claims... and fail to mention his insights about the drug sharpening your motor skills, improving your social relations....
I am the one who is loving your logic mate. Lovin lovin lovin it
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