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Old 03-23-2004, 11:29 PM
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*Sigh* Here we go again.

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Originally Posted by SwamP_ThinG
You still have the nerve to ask? Take a good look at your answers, and then tell me if they are worth retorting.
Okay....... Yes, they are worth a reply. Because without an answer to them, you solution is incomplete.

What does your international terrorism czar do when countries don't want to cooperate, effectively creating a safe harbor for terrrorists to strike from and return to?
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And then, you keep saying things, and denying to have said them in the next post!!!
Are you chemically imbalanced? You find the quote and I'll eat my monitor and never show up here ever again. I will take out a full page ad in the New York Times telling the world that I was wrong and Swamp-thing was right. Find the quote.
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You gave the "invade any country" solution, and now you say you never pointed out such a thing...
Yes, I proposed these solutions, in this order:

"We could find out what they would accept in trade. Perhaps an Islamic US president? We could get rid of the Constitution in favor of the Quoran. Perhaps extermination of the Jews in Israel, or at least their forcible removal (though I think Osama would go for extermination first, you know payback and all)....Do we use all available resources to find these weapons, capitulate, appease, negotiate, wait until they're used?"

What would it take to justify an invasion?... Would the intelligence have to be 100%? The weapon verified visually by two, unrelated sources? Could it only be one source, albeit a trustworthy one? Under no circumstances would an invasion be called for?

Startup proposed this solution: "If the other country will still not allow us to apprehend the person or persons, we should use special forces to "acquire" him or them."

To which I replied: "I agree."

You suggested stronger border control, to which I agreed with caveats.

Out of all of these proposed solutions, you spend a page of rants bitching about one and attributing it to my beliefs when I have never supported it; in prior posts on this subject I have come out against it; I have clearly supported another plan; and have REPEATEDLY TOLD YOU THAT I DIDN'T FUCKING SAY THAT INVASION WAS A GOOD IDEA!
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I think a workable solution has been presented hundreds of times, but you just canīt accept anything that doesnīt include kicking some third world ass or droping some bombs on someone.
Where did I say that. Quote me.
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There are several things the US can do to stop terrorism, without firing one simple shot.
For starters, to find a way to bring peace to the middle east, wich means stop vetoeing every UN resolution about Israel.. By doing that, you eliminate about 50% of the reasons for anti-US sentiment.
I don't think that will work. Palestinian leaders do not want peace. As I've posted before, they have been offered numerous very good deals. In fact, they have been given exactly what they've asked for and then asked for more.
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Then you can start by stop being such a bully, and stop the arm twisting tactics. Stop meddling with other nationīs governments, stop sponsoring "coup dīetáts" left and right, and funding uprisals and blood baths across half the planet.
I agree.
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Then you can do the smart thing and sign the international treaties, like Kyoto, the International Court and nuclear non-proliferation(that means no Star Wars programs, no new weapons, and dismantling most of your current nuclear bio and chemical stockpiles).
WTF does any of this have to do with Islam, Jihad, or terrorism? You seem to be very confused about just what Islamic terrorists are after.

And idiots sign the Kyoto.
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And finally, stop acting as the worldīs allmighty cop, and pass that role onto the UN, where it belongs.
Agree. Even though I know the UN will never do the job I still believe we need to stop doing it for them.
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All this can be summed in one single action: to change your foreign policy.
If the US can do these very simple things, you would have eliminated 99.9999% of the anti-american sentiment out there. The remaining 0.00001% would be comprised of the leftovers of the USīs past insanities, like the families of the victims of your policy, that would eventually vanish in time.
In a decade or so, this world would become a safer place.
Maybe a good portion, but we will always support Israel's right to exist as a state. And that just won't do for the majority of these terrorists. We will always be a free society with sex, drugs, and rock and roll. And that just won't do for the majority of these terrorists.
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And yes: leaving Iraq would help a lot aswell.Even the simple fact of transfering authority to the UN would get thousands of wannabe terrorists off your backs!! So why donīt you?:indeed:
Even though the big clerics in Iraq don't want the UN there?
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